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What if retirement isn’t the end of something — but the beginning of something better – and deeply meaningful?

Dr. Susan Reid thought she was ready for her next chapter when she retired early from her career as a university professor. But within weeks, she realized she’d gone from 100% full throttle to zero — and felt adrift. That awakening led her on a powerful journey to re-vision retirement — for herself and for the millions of others who feel they’re “not done yet.”

In this conversation, Dr. Reid shares the insights from her research and personal experience — about identity, purpose, and how to craft a clear vision for the next phase of life. You’ll hear how to move from “what am I leaving?” to “what am I moving toward?” and how meaning, contribution, and joy can fuel a longer, healthier, and more fulfilling life after you leave full-time work behind.

If you’re planning your own next act — or helping someone who is — this episode will change how you think about what comes next.

Susan Reid joins us from Halifax.

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Bio

SUSAN REID is an award-winning expert on the topic of vision. Until 2021, Susan was a tenured professor of marketing and entrepreneurship at Bishop’s University in Lennoxville, Quebec. As a teacher, researcher, and keynote speaker, she works at the intersection of marketing, innovation, and user-focused design, with an in-depth focus on the topic of vision, particularly for older adults and entrepreneurs. Her book on Entrepreneurial Vision: A guide for charting and implementing the vision process (co-authored with Charles Crawford). Susan is also the co-founder of Domaine Pinnacle, a pioneering Canadian producer of craft ciders and spirits.

When she retired at age 57, after years of helping businesses and individuals develop their visions, Susan realized, to her surprise, that she had not set a vision for her own retirement. This led her to develop a workbook (Re-Visioning Retirement) for people just like her.

Susan holds a Bachelor of Science degree from Queen’s University, an MBA from McGill University, and a Ph.D. from Concordia University’s John Molson School of Business.

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For More on Susan Reid

Re-Visioning Retirement: A Workbook

Website

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Podcast Conversations You May Like

Joyspan – Kerry Burnight, PhD

The Power of Reinvention – Joanne Lipman

When Will You Flip the Switch? – Dr. Barbara O’Neill

Make Your Next Years Your Best Years – Harry Agress, MD

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About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

About Retirement Wisdom

I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

About Your Podcast Host

Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 1.6 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

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Wise Quotes

On Retirement and Meaning

“Most people after they retire feel like they’re not done — they want to create meaning, but many don’t know how to go about it.”

On Transitioning to Retirement

“I went from 100% full-out work to 0% in just a few weeks. That was a real eye-opener — and it made me realize how many others feel the same.”

On Vision

“Vision is a cinematic preview of the world you want to see. When you hold a clear vision, you stack the deck in favor of success.”

I’m Just Asking for a Friend

Retirement brings so many questions! Share yours (for a friend….)

Click here to leave a voice message

or email me at joec@retirementwisdom.com

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What does it mean to live life fully — without any unfinished business? Today’s guest, Diane Button, knows the answer. As a compassionate end-of-life doula and author of What Matters Most: Lessons the Dying Teach Us About Living, she’s spent years walking beside people at the end of life — and she’s learned lessons that help all of us live more fully right now.

In this podcast conversation, Diane shares what she’s learned about forgiveness, gratitude and legacy — and how each of us can create peace long before the final chapter. You’ll hear touching stories of regret, reconciliation, and joy — including how one man’s “joy counter” became a simple but profound reminder to notice beauty in everyday moments.

If you’ve ever wondered how to live more intentionally, strengthen your relationships, and make sure nothing important is left unsaid — this episode will move you, inspire you, and change how you think about how you want to use your time.

Diane Button joins us from California.

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Bio

Diane Button is a founding partner of the Bay Area End-of-Life Doula Alliance in Northern California, a frequent podcast guest, and best-selling author of several books related to end-of-life, meaningful living, and the growing impact of death doulas worldwide. She is an instructor at the University of Vermont’s End-of-Life Doula Certificate Program and was a former board member of the National End-of-Life Doula Alliance (NEDA). She holds a master’s in counseling psychology from Goddard College in Vermont. Her master’s thesis, The Components of a Meaningful Life, became the genesis for her life’s work of supporting people to find meaning, comfort, joy, and peace in life and in death.

Diane’s best-selling books have been featured on numerous programs and podcasts, inspiring others to leave a meaningful legacy. Her other books include the best-selling titles Dear Death: Finding Meaning in Life, Peace in Death, and Joy in an Ordinary Day which combines the insights gained from her research on “The Four Pillars of a Meaningful Life,” with over a decade working with hospice and doula clients in their final days and The Doula Tool Kit: The Complete Practical Guide for End-of-Life Doulas & Caregivers, which was co-authored by Angela Shook and Gabby Jimenez.

In October of 2022, during the pandemic, Diane wrote an article that went viral article for Maria Shriver’s Sunday Paper that remains widely-read and one of their most popular articles. What Matters Most: Lessons the Dying Teach Us About Living is her latest book, written at the invitation of Maria Shriver and published by Penguin Random House.

Diane is also a breast cancer survivor. Immediately following her diagnosis of breast cancer at 48, Diane and her young children established the nonprofit Dream of a Better World. Through grassroots fundraisers and local events, they have supported underserved children and families around the world. Their motto is: “You’re never too young or too old to make a difference!”

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For More on Diane Button

Website

What Matters Most: Lessons the Dying Teach Us About Living

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Podcast Conversations You May Like

The Well-Lived Life – Dr. Gladys McGarey

Live Life in Crescendo – Cynthia Covey Haller

The Inspired Retirement – Nathalie Martin

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About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

About Retirement Wisdom

I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

About Your Podcast Host

Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 1.6 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

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Wise Quotes

On What Matters Most

“Death is just one day. All the other days are for living fully.”

On Unfinished Business

“Just being in the moment, which means pausing which means looking people in the eye, which means having deep conversations…not being afraid to say how I feel to have to live my life with a clean slate – so that I don’t walk around carrying unfinished business with people. More than anything, I say I’m sorry. I say I love you. I say thank you. I show up for my friends and people in my life so that if this were my last day everybody knows that I love them and everybody knows that I’m sorry for the things that I’ve done. I think it’s really important because if we don’t say the words now they build up and at the end of life it can be just so excruciating to watch somebody who hasn’t healed something from their past scrambling to get it done at the end of life. So I think I’ve learned that lesson and I really try to stay on top of that.”

On Joy

“The real beauty of life lies in the simplicity of an ordinary day — the coffee on the porch, the laughter, the quiet moments. That’s where joy lives.”

What if doing less could actually give you more? Author and minimalist Christine Platt, known as The Afrominimalist, joins us to explore how letting go of clutter—physical and emotional—can lead to a life of greater intention, peace, and purpose. Her new book, Less Is Liberating, challenges the myth that our worth is tied to our busyness or possessions. In this conversation, Christine opens up about her own transformation—from attorney, federal government leader, to writer and minimalist—and shares how living with less helped her rediscover herself after parenting, career, and overwhelm. If you’ve ever struggled with the question “Who am I now?” or felt burdened by the weight of “shoulds,” you’ll want to listen closely. This episode is about redefining freedom—not just freedom from, but freedom for—the life you truly want in retirement.

Christine Platt joins us from Washington, DC.

In This Conversation, You’ll Learn:

– How Christine’s minimalist journey began—and what she discovered about consumerism and identity.

– Why overwhelm became her “baseline” and how she learned to listen to her body’s warning signs.

– What the “five wells” of wellness reveal about balance and self-care.

– How limiting beliefs form—and how they shape our behavior long after we leave work.

– The powerful distinction between freedom from and freedom for in retirement.

– How to reclaim your time, your energy, and your sense of self.

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Bio

Christine Platt is the author of Less Is Liberation: Finding Freedom from a Life of Overwhelm.

a multi-hyphenate, multi-genre author whose work centers the journey of personal liberation—inviting readers to examine, release, and reimagine the narratives that shape their lives.

From adult fiction and lifestyle to children’s literature and cultural commentary, Christine’s expansive body of work defies genre limitations by centering an empowering throughline: understanding and achieving personal liberation. With each book, Christine affirms what she knows to be true: liberation is not a destination—it is a way of being. And through the power of storytelling, she helps others find their way.

Christine holds a Bachelor of Arts in Africana Studies, Master of Arts in African and African-American Studies, and a Juris Doctorate from Stetson University College of Law.

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For More on Christine Platt

Less Is Liberation: Finding Freedom from a Life of Overwhelm

Website

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Podcast Episodes You May Like

Keep the Memories, Lose the Stuff – Matt Paxton

The Joy of Saying No – Natalie Lue

Stop People Pleasing – Hailey Magee

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About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

About Retirement Wisdom

I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

About Your Podcast Host

Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 1.6 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

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Wise Quotes

On Overwhelm

“When overwhelm is your baseline, you’ve stopped listening to your body. The work is learning to pause and ask: which of my wells needs care right now?”

On Becoming an Empty Nester

“I realized I’d spent the majority of my adulthood mothering.It was like all I knew how to do. And so when our daughter went off to college,there were times that the the silence and the space felt very unsettling, right? When, as a writer, you have a project you’re always head down, it’s kind of siloed anyway. But when you don’t have a project, it’s even more quiet. And I just found myself like, filling, filling, trying to just fill that space. And coming to ultimately realize that overwhelm was kind of my baseline, like my body didn’t know, it felt unfamiliar to not be overwhelmed. And like, Man, I should be doing something, I should be doing something. And then I was doing too much.

On Less

I feel like [less] is a word that unfortunately has gotten a bad rap. I hope this book Less is Liberation: Finding Freedom from a Life of Overwhelm will give it a rebrand. But I feel like we tend to associate that word with scarcity, with loss, with lack – it has like a negative connotation. And almost because we never really fill in what comes after that, which is, it does leave you room for so much more of what you want and enjoy.”

On the Five Wells of Wellness

“She explained to me the five foundations of wellness. And she said, we look at your physical health – how are you? How’s your body? How’s your movement? How are you resting? How are you eating? We look at your mental health. Are you problem solving? Are you processing new information? Are you reading a book? Are you listening to an amazing podcast, and learning something new each day? We look at your emotional health, are you able to emote? Do you feel your feelings or do you suppress them, escape them, or try to outrun them? And she said, we look also at your social health. What’s your friendship circle like? What are your interpersonal relationships like? And then we look at your spiritual health, which is less about religion and more about how are you feeling? What contributions are you making to the world? Are you doing meaningful work? Have you done meaningful work before you retired? What do you want to do now in terms of volunteering? And she said,  this is not, you know, alternative medicine. This is traditional medicine, I am a licensed medical doctor. And this is the diagnostic tool that we use. And she said, if any one of those areas of health is deemed in need of care, it can be anything from you’re not getting enough rest. If you’re just your physical health is deemed off.”

On Identity and Freedom

“…as opposed to just, how can I just fill up my calendar? Do I need to be saying yes to everything? I love that you asked about those two facets of freedom, because I think it goes so well with the debt identity. For so long, our careers are a big part of our identity. For so long, mothering was a big part of my identity. And so I didn’t really have the freedom of identity to just be Christine. I didn’t even know what that looked like. There were some people that didn’t even know my name, I was just Mala’s mom. And so, it really becomes a big part of your identity. And then all of a sudden, you’re retired, you have this time. You don’t have the sort of tethering to some of the titles and responsibilities that came with the work that we did. And you just find yourself almost kind of floating, like, who am I? And so that identity really allows us to think about this life that we’re seeking freedom for. And I feel like this is the first time probably since I was a young woman, that I belong to myself. A lot of the beliefs, behaviors, and identities that we know aren’t serving us anymore.”

On Overcoming Fear

“There’s, there’s fear that is there.Usually like what’s at the crux of it is fear, you know, and I talked to folks that are decluttering their homes for the first time and letting go of things for the first time. There’s a very real fear of: What if I still need this? What if I let this go and it’s a mistake? When it comes to our identities and beliefs, it’s a very real fear. How are people going to perceive me when I’m no longer the person who is so helpful? And it was a very painful experience to see how many of the relationships in my life were transactional…and which are genuine connections.”

What happens when a sleepless baby, a Victorian fixer-upper, and a vineyard come together? For Richard Moran, it sparked a multi-year journey of transformation—from corporate boardrooms to wine country. Along the way, he discovered lessons about serendipity, risk-taking, family, and building a place that lasts for generations. In today’s conversation, Richard shares his story of balancing a high-flying consulting career with the slower rhythms of grapevines, why creating a family gathering place matters in retirement, and the life lessons he lives by.

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Bio

Richard Moran is the author of The Accidental Vineyard: An Old House, New Vines, and a Changed Life in Wine Country.

Besides being a winemaker and a preservationist, Richard Moran’s background includes serving as a CEO, a college president, a venture capitalist and an author he is an authority on workplace issues and hosts a weekly radio program on KCBS, “In the Workplace” and has written ten books about management. Rich has also served as a director on public and private corporate boards.

He lives in California’s Wine Country.

Moran has served as a CEO, a college president, a venture capitalist, and a top-level consultant. He is a set of one. He has worked for or with some of the world’s leading organizations including Accenture, Apple, News Corp, American Airlines, PG&E and many others. He prides himself on his matter-of-fact manner of consulting and believes that many parts of the business world are needlessly complicated.

Moran holds a Ph.D. in organization behavior but his work is not academic. Research is important but he believes what is just as critical are the observations one can make by being in the “trenches”

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For More on Richard Moran

The Accidental Vineyard: An Old House, New Vines, and a Changed Life in Wine Country

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Podcast Conversations You May Like

Take the Detour – A Second Act Story – Melissa Davey

The Portfolio Life – Christina Wallace

Edit Your Life – Elisabeth Sharp McKetta

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About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

About Retirement Wisdom

I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

About Your Podcast Host

Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 1.6 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

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Wise Quotes

On Transitioning to a New Life

“I was on a conference call with a big time CEO and I was trying to do two things at once. I was clipping grapevines at the same time. And the CEO said, what’s that noise? What’s that noise? And I knew right then that I had switched, I had gone to the country where life is a little simpler than it is trying to meet flights and put together a PowerPoint presentation.”

On Creating a Place People Want to Visit

“What we wanted to create was a place and we created it. This place is still alive. We didn’t make it into a museum. We live here. And I think finding a place for you and your family at any time in your life, but especially as you grow older where you want people to come visit, you want people in retirement to come and say, Hey, I want to visit. We don’t want to—I don’t want you to drag your ass here just because you’re my grandpa. I want people to come visit and they do.”

On Intentions

“Actions follow intent. If you know what your intentions are, then you know what your actions are that might lead to that intention.”

 

I’m Just Asking for a Friend

Retirement brings so many questions! Share yours (for a friend, of course…)

Click here to leave a voice message

or email me at joec@retirementwisdom.com

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What if the secret to a longer, healthier, and more purposeful life isn’t about diets or exercise routines, but about connection, purpose, and how we approach aging itself? In this conversation, Ken Stern author of the new book Healthy to 100: How Strong Social Ties Lead to Long Lives.  He shares powerful lessons from his travels across Asia and Europe, where he studied some of the most vibrant societies with a track record of longevity. From intergenerational living to lifelong learning, Ken challenges the way we think about retirement and shows how our later years can be a time of renewal, engagement, and meaning. If you’ve ever wondered how to thrive in the decades ahead, this episode will give you a fresh perspective—and the motivation to design your own path.

Ken Stern joins us from Washington DC.

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Bio

Ken Stern is the Founder of the Longevity Project, which fosters public conversation on the impact on longer lives on civil society, and engages a global audience through events, research and newsletters. Stern is the host of the award-winning podcast Century Lives, from the Stanford Center on Longevity.

Stern is the author of the new book Healthy to 100: How Strong Social Ties Lead to Long Lives. He has also been a regular contributor to a diverse group of publications such as Vanity Fair, The Atlantic, and Slate.

He is also the CEO of Palisades Media Ventures, a Washington D.C. thought leadership company.

Stern was previously the CEO of National Public Radio. Prior to joining NPR, Stern was a senior executive in American International Broadcasting, beginning his media career with Radio Free Europe/ Radio Liberty in Munich. Stern, a lawyer by training, holds degrees from Haverford College and Yale Law School. He lives in Washington, DC with his wife Beth and their son Nate.

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For More on Ken Stern

Healthy to 100: How Strong Social Ties Lead to Long Lives

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Podcast Conversations You May Like

The Super Age – Bradley Schurman

Joyspan – Kerry Burnight, PhD

Retiring: Creating a Life That Works for You – Teresa Amabile

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About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

About Retirement Wisdom

I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

About Your Podcast Host

Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 1.6 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

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Wise Quotes

On Intergenerational Relationships

“The countries I visited were Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Italy, and Spain. And I picked them because they’re among the longest-lived and the healthiest countries, but there are others. I picked them because in some ways they’re actually challenging countries. They’re not ideal. Singapore is hot and notoriously stressful. People in Spain really smoke a lot and they drive terribly. Their income is not as high as other places. There are a lot of things that says they shouldn’t be as healthy as they are. So I wanted to know what was their secret sauce. When you write a book like this, Joe, as you probably know, you do a lot of research in advance and have a lot of conversations. So in some ways it’s not really set up for surprise, but there were things that surprised me. One was, so I’ll mention two things. There are a lot more than that, but I’ll mention two things. One that surprised me, that was uniform across, they all have somewhat different approaches to longevity and social connection. But one thing that was uniform was the deep commitment of each of those societies to intergenerational relationships. In the U.S., back to table 23, we actually think it’s natural to divide people based upon their age. They were all those countries. both directly and indirectly, had all sorts of strategies of bringing the generation together for the good of the young and for the good of the old. So that was one thing that was surprising about sort of the uniformity of that across all those societies.”

On Working Longer

“In Japan, I met workers in their 80s and their 90s. In Korea, I met people who were engaged in lifelong learning and, gained degrees at the same age. In Italy, people were volunteering into their 80s and 90s, and sometimes it was hard to tell who were volunteers and who was being served. The thing that actually sort of got me is that every time I asked them, all those people, almost 100%, how long they wanted to keep doing what they were doing, whether it was working or learning or volunteering or taking care of family members, the answer is almost uniformly until I can’t. And that was sort of the anthem of the trip, until I can’t. There was no notion that like at 65 I have to turn it off or 62 I’m supposed to stop doing things. The answer was I get vitality from what I do, I get meaning and purpose, and I’m gonna keep doing that until the day I can’t.”

On Cultivating New Relationships in Retirement

“The first thing I’m going to  say is don’t retire or don’t retire casually, right? Or don’t retire because you think it’s time to retire. So I’ll start with that. But a lot of people can retire and they retire at different ages and I’m very big on the importance of work as part of community, but that’s not going to be for everyone. And even in Japan, which has the highest percentage of older workers, only roughly half of people between 65 and 70 still work. So there are millions of people who can retire. So I think the thing is, the first thing I say is treat those years after retirement the same way you’ve achieved the years before retirement.You have a plan, think about how you’re going to be engaged. Don’t treat those years as any less valuable than the years that preceded it. So maybe work, maybe part-time work, it might be volunteering, it might be lifelong learning, it might be the clubs you’ll join, the groups you’ll form. But treat it with the same seriousness and purpose. It’s really hard, as you said, to often replace those networks. You spend 40 years or so at work building up relationships, talking to people every day. They may or may not be your friends, but they’re your network. They’re the people who you engage with. And then they’re gone. I’m almost in the snap of the finger. And you can’t just replace that unless you’re looking for other ways to engage with people and with ideas.So my friend, Mark Friedman, who’s also written great books on the subject, says that we’re sort of designed like jigsaw puzzles that fit together, the generations fit together. And I think what sort of the evidence shows and these things I saw is that just an enormous value that different generations bring together, it works, and it’s a lot of different contexts.It’s when you have multi-generational workforces, multi-generational work groups, they tend to do better than single generation work groups. They bring different ideas, different experiences, and it’s true in community as well. When you find ways to bring the generations together, people do better. Kids do better, tons of evidence about how that multi-generational having people who aren’t members of the family is actually the single most important thing in terms of childhood development. But it’s also really good for older people, whether you’re 50 or 60 or 70, just the opportunity, the vitality the young people bring to you, the opportunity to learn from other generations to have purpose in raising the next generation.”