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For decades, the message is clear: save, invest, and build your retirement nest egg. Then retirement arrives, and suddenly you are expected to reverse course. For many people, watching the balance decline feels wrong, dangerous, or even irresponsible.
Jean Chatzky believes the solution is both financial and behavioral. In this conversation, she discusses her new book The Forever Paycheck: The New Retirement Strategy to Spend More, Worry Less, and Never Run Out of Money. Jean explains how structuring part of your retirement assets as a dependable monthly paycheck may make it easier to spend, reduce anxiety, and enjoy the life you worked to fund. She shares research suggesting that retirees with pension-like income spend more than those with a similar amount, and tells the moving story of watching her own mother resist touching principal for two decades.
Jean Chatzky also offers a balanced, consumer-minded look at annuities: where guarantees may help, why putting all of your assets into one is unwise, how much might be appropriate, and which questions to ask.
The conversation closes where good retirement planning should perhaps begin: with the life the money is meant to support. Jean discusses envisioning retirement, road-testing new pursuits, considering phased retirement, and solving the surprisingly concrete challenge of what to do with your hard earned freedom.
In this episode, you’ll learn
- Why spending can feel emotionally harder than saving, even for financially secure retirees
- What research reveals about guaranteed income and actual retiree spending
- How Jean Chatzky plans to combine an annuity with other investments in her own retirement
- Which expenses a retirement paycheck might reasonably cover
- What to compare before purchasing an annuity
- Why a phased retirement can reduce both financial and identity risk
- How to begin designing the time, relationships, learning, and purpose that retirement will offer
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Bio
Jean Chatzky is the author of The Forever Paycheck: The New Retirement Strategy to Spend More, Worry Less, and Never Run Out of Money. She is a regular contributor to The Oprah Winfrey Show, the financial editor for NBC’s Today show, a contributing editor for Money and Time, and a columnist for The New York Daily News. She hosts a daily national radio program on Oprah and Friends, XM, and is the author of four books, including the bestseller Pay It Down!
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For More on Jean Chatzky
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Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Love
The Retirement Savings Time Bomb – Ed Slott
Mattering…in Retirement – Jennifer Breheny Wallace
Shifting From Saving to Spending in Retirement – Richard Sheffield
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Wise Quotes
On Shifting to Spending
“Flipping the switch to spending is highly uncomfortable…If you’ve been saving for a life that you have wanted to live, not allowing yourself to live it, it feels like we need a different solution…My hope is that this strategy will enable people to stop worrying as much, to start spending more of what they’ve worked so hard to save.”
On Annuitizing
“I’m going to take about a third of my money, what I need to cover my fixed expenses, but also the things that I really don’t want to do without.”
On a Forever Paycheck
“People who had paychecks spent double in many cases because they knew that those paychecks were going to continue to come.”
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About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast
There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.
About Retirement Wisdom
I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.
Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.
About Your Podcast Host
Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.
Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.
In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.
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The views and opinions expressed by guests on The Retirement Wisdom Podcast are those of the guests and do not necessarily reflect the policy or position of the host or Retirement Wisdom, LLC. The Retirement Wisdom Podcast covers the non-financial aspects of retirement. From time to time we may invite guests who discuss other aspects of retirement planning, solely for educational purposes. Listeners are advised to consult qualified financial and/or medical professionals on those matters.
