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We think the joyful moments of our lives will be the big ones: the wedding, the trip, that event we’re looking forward to. Kelly McGonigal asked thousands of people about joy, and the answer surprised her. The moments people most want to relive are small everyday ones: a laugh, a shared meal, a text from someone who was thinking of them.
In this return visit, Kelly discusses her new book Joy Is a Risk Worth Taking. She explains why joy can feel risky (the fear that it won’t last, the guilt of feeling good, and not ewanting to get your hopes up”), why your body trusts joy even when your mind doesn’t, and why joy is one of the most accesible and social emotions we have.
For anyone designing life after full-time work, this conversation is timely. Joy is a capacity you build, a signal you can trust, and a gift you can give, many times a day.
What You’ll Discover
- Why joy is a “signal”
- Why joy can feel risky
- What happens in your body during celebration
- Why people experience more joy with others
- Two joys that may surprise you: the joy of being trusted and the joy of being thought of
- The end-of-the-day Joy Review you can start today
- The difference between a contamination mindset and a redemption mindset
- Three simple acts of joy to try
Kelly McGonigal joins us from California.
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Bio
Kelly McGonigal, PhD, is a research psychologist, lecturer at Stanford University, and an award-winning science writer. Her new book is Joy Is a Risk Worth Taking. Her scientific research focuses on the mind-body connection, and how to cultivate resilience and compassion. She is the author of the international bestseller The Willpower Instinct, The Joy of Movement, The Upside of Stress, and Yoga for Pain Relief. Her work is published in thirty-one languages. Since 2000, she has taught dance, yoga, and group exercise in the San Francisco Bay Area. In her free time, she volunteers as an adoption counselor for animal rescue.
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For More on Kelly McGonigal
Kelly McGonigal teaches an online course on Joy open to the public through Stanford University Continuing Studies.
Check the schedule for upcoming classes or join their email list for updates.
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Other Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love
The Joy of Movement – Kelly McGonigal
Love & Happiness…in Retirement – Sonja Lyubomirsky
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Wise Quotes
On Joy in Small Moments
“It can be really easy in life to dismiss them, to think the memory that’s going to matter is going to Disneyland. The memory that’s going to matter is the wedding. And that we have to get those moments perfect. But often, the moments that matter most are the small moments where you just allow yourself to be present and enjoy the moment – or enjoy one another.”
On Showing Joy to Others
“If you can imagine if someone you haven’t seen in a while sees you and their face lights up, or maybe they rush and give you a hug, their joy is a signal to you that you matter, that they care about you, that your existence in the world is a good thing.”
On The Joy Review
“The Joy Review at the end of the day, you look back for one to three good moments, and you replay them in your mind in a way that gives you a feeling, a feeling of them, a memory of them….Look back over the past 24 hours, pick one good moment, and bring it to mind in just enough detail that you remember it or it gives you a feeling.”
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About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast
There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.
About Retirement Wisdom
I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.
Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.
About Your Podcast Host
Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.
Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.
In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

